no more vaxxines for me. I received the pfizer back in the Spring, and now I am done. I am doing everything in my power to reverse the effects of the vaxx and make myself strong.
Thank you Doctor so much, thank you dearly for your information, and easy explanation. These explanations are so good, I can share them with my non-medical friends and family.
Ok, if I understand this correctly, you're saying that sarscov binds primarily to ACE2 receptor sites, but also secondarily to other receptor sites (including macrophages).
That vaccinating for Omicron S-spike will push mutations to these alternate entry sites, leading to a Marek's type scenario. Differing in that the vaccinated (& other immuno-compromised) will be the victims of severe disease & death, whereas (healthy) unvaxxed-naive & unvaxxed-recovered, due to full use of innate & adaptive immune system (with prevention & early treatment) will fare the best.
Perhaps you could quote the paragraph(s) in the USSC opinion that makes the (no longer) human the property of the patent owner.
Because as far as I can see, it patents the base *sequence*, and maybe the exact *process* used, so that other companies have to license its use to develop tests & treatments for whatever diseases it may cause.
Still as clear as mud to me. In Marek's disease it's literally the UNvaccinated chickens that don't stand a chance, and die, yet Geert has seemed to imply that you're better off unvaccinated. What does he mean when he says "ADE in vaccinees will provide the virus with exceptional virulence and make it resemble Marek in unvaccinated"
the word "resemble" is being used here like "similar to" and he's not talking about the immune status of the donor and host but the population level host-pathogen interaction where you can switch the vaccine exposure status, virus exposure status etc. The dynamic being focused on is the mechanics of disease not necessarily the roles of transmitter and diseased.
Clearly, the very next stage of pandemic will be what was seen in India during April 2021. Children and Grandparents who have enough trained innate mucosal immunity through 2 years of training putting tremendous pressure on everyone that can't stay at home and shield or depend on youthful innate immunity.
Wouldn't it naturally elect for transmission routes where salt water was not applied? For example rectal or ocular or genital route?
It would work to suppress transmission and disease where you apply it, but in an environment where the virus is persistent and being constantly shed by people who have chronic latent infections, mass vaccinations can easily overcome this mitigation in virus replication and persistence favorable conditions like Winter.
I hope your are right. I think viruses do persist and have other routes of infections including this coronavirus and others. But nevertheless, all infection prevention is time bought to study more closely and help people who are afflicted already for whom infection prevention may longer be an option and reactivation like Shingles a possibility.
I'm pro your intervention regardless of whether it ends the pandemic or not because we simply cannot afford a single new infection if the covid is becomes a permanent risk through reactivation.
They masks can increase the airway temperature by increasing humidity and therefore assisting your nasal passage in effectively inactivating the virus, much like your method.
There seem to be two schools of thought in the anti-covid-vax scientists:
1. There is Geert Vanden Bossche who is warning us about vax-caused immune pressure and more infectious variants.
2. There are doctors for covid ethics with Michael Yeadon saying "don't worry about variants because T-cell immunity is broad, long-lived and protective". But most importantly, there is Sucharit Bhakdi saying that the first line of immune response is that of the mucosal immunity in the upper respiratory tract and there aren't vaccinal IgG Abs there - only secretory IgA (https://doctors4covidethics.org/immunology-101-why-intramuscular-covid-19-vaccination-must-fail/). If this is the innate immune response, then isn't that a conflict with the statement that vaccinal IgG will outcompete the innate Abs and prevent training of the innate immune system? I mean if vaccinal IgG do not play a role in the first innate immune response as they just aren't there.
Thank you Geert. Your words are always appreciated.....though they really 'hurt' my little grey cells.! :)
I just also wanted to say, after 40 years of having a chronic cough, I have found that taking a small teaspoon of Bi-carb of soda in a cup of warm water of great benefit. It is an old wive's tale...I know....with no scientific basis, but it sure does work at soothing a cough. PS. It won't fix covid, but if any of your readers have a little success with it, my grandmother would be pleased. :)
Geert do think mass vaccination of the children will finally push us over the edge ?
At this point most scientists are welded on to their position & after everything they have said there is no chance they will walk back on their claims.
Germany is looking at booster 4 already.
What you say seems to make the most sense in my mind & signs are pointing to you being correct but everything is still theory at this stage. Is there a certain country we should watch for the signals, like Israel who are ahead in terms of vaccination timeline ?
Do you have information on the types of antibodies that exert the suppression of the innate antibodies that impact on protection from infection (ie, via competitive binding)? Usually these might be considered to be IgG but given the location of infection in the upper respiratory tract is it more likely that they're IgA? If they are, what is the impact of the rapid IgA antibody waning seen with the coronavirus vaccines on the risks inherent with innate immune suppression? I suppose the question might be phrased as: is the suppression of the innate immune system mediated at local (upper respiratory tract) or systemic level?
I apologise for asking but there's just so little research being done in this field (or, at least, being published).
John Ioannidis is one of the most cited researchers on Earth. So him collaborating with Geert is a pretty big deal. So yes, it does matter. John has been in contact with Steve Kirsch recently. Steve and Geert already know each other AFAIK so that's why I was asking the question.
But John Ioannidis has been vocally critical of draconian measures like lockdowns since the beginning of the pandemic. So he is very much not conforming to the official narrative.
Are there any current papers showing strong evidence of ADE in datasets and/or metabolic pathways touched upon in this discussion? I need a citation for a Twitter debate in which I'm engaged. In mid-2020 I foresaw vaccine-enhanced disease as likely following mRNA vax, but now we need to be able to point to studies and mechanisms as we see evidence in case numbers and outcomes.
I would like to thank you for all your hard work and perseverance throughout these past few years. We have all learned so much through your wonderful (&thorough) presentations + publications. Your courageous voice has meant so much and has been a lifeline to so many. For this I believe you will always be remembered.
I understand this is a difficult time for humanity (on so many levels) and I have a lot of pessimism personally, but having you here... something alike spotting an iridescent bird in the wilderness of insanity. Merci.
Please know we think of you and your family and wish you all the very best in health & happiness for the new year ahead. You are very dear to us.
Geert. This is very odd. New flu epidemic in Rio de Janeiro, its summer there. The variant is provisionally named H3N2 Darwin, because it was first reported in the city of Darwin, Australia.
Here in Australia we have NOT had a flu season for 2 years.
I think he's saying they may be able to more safely regain or develop some immunity by exposure to/infection with this mild Omicron mutation. But further boosters during my the Omicron wave will damage their immune system further, including by further driving mutations away from the spike entry point & toward the secondary entries. They already know the virus can enter macrophages. Cells do not last forever; those damaged immune cells will have been replaced by healthy monocytes, possibly restoring some innate response.
Thank you too... no formal education background here... need more simple sound bites to effectively communicate to public... so drug co.’s already working on Omicron vax are doing exactly the wrong thing?... unvaxxed & wanting to crawl into my hole and pull the hole in after me...
no more vaxxines for me. I received the pfizer back in the Spring, and now I am done. I am doing everything in my power to reverse the effects of the vaxx and make myself strong.
Thank you Doctor so much, thank you dearly for your information, and easy explanation. These explanations are so good, I can share them with my non-medical friends and family.
Ok, if I understand this correctly, you're saying that sarscov binds primarily to ACE2 receptor sites, but also secondarily to other receptor sites (including macrophages).
That vaccinating for Omicron S-spike will push mutations to these alternate entry sites, leading to a Marek's type scenario. Differing in that the vaccinated (& other immuno-compromised) will be the victims of severe disease & death, whereas (healthy) unvaxxed-naive & unvaxxed-recovered, due to full use of innate & adaptive immune system (with prevention & early treatment) will fare the best.
Is that about it?
Yes.
Got any evidence?
That makes the most sense to me so far..
But then what is meant by this part? "ADE in vaccinees will provide the virus with exceptional virulence and make it resemble Marek in unvaccinated…"
Perhaps you could quote the paragraph(s) in the USSC opinion that makes the (no longer) human the property of the patent owner.
Because as far as I can see, it patents the base *sequence*, and maybe the exact *process* used, so that other companies have to license its use to develop tests & treatments for whatever diseases it may cause.
Iow, you haven't read the opinion.
Still as clear as mud to me. In Marek's disease it's literally the UNvaccinated chickens that don't stand a chance, and die, yet Geert has seemed to imply that you're better off unvaccinated. What does he mean when he says "ADE in vaccinees will provide the virus with exceptional virulence and make it resemble Marek in unvaccinated"
the word "resemble" is being used here like "similar to" and he's not talking about the immune status of the donor and host but the population level host-pathogen interaction where you can switch the vaccine exposure status, virus exposure status etc. The dynamic being focused on is the mechanics of disease not necessarily the roles of transmitter and diseased.
Clearly, the very next stage of pandemic will be what was seen in India during April 2021. Children and Grandparents who have enough trained innate mucosal immunity through 2 years of training putting tremendous pressure on everyone that can't stay at home and shield or depend on youthful innate immunity.
Wouldn't it naturally elect for transmission routes where salt water was not applied? For example rectal or ocular or genital route?
It would work to suppress transmission and disease where you apply it, but in an environment where the virus is persistent and being constantly shed by people who have chronic latent infections, mass vaccinations can easily overcome this mitigation in virus replication and persistence favorable conditions like Winter.
I agree it can severely to completely erase transmission in Summers if people stay away from air conditioning, but that's not practically feasible in modern life, we'd have to revert back to TB mitigation sanitariums of the late 1800s, and early 19th century. Grim. https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-10-30/what-architecture-learned-from-tb-hospitals
I hope your are right. I think viruses do persist and have other routes of infections including this coronavirus and others. But nevertheless, all infection prevention is time bought to study more closely and help people who are afflicted already for whom infection prevention may longer be an option and reactivation like Shingles a possibility.
I'm pro your intervention regardless of whether it ends the pandemic or not because we simply cannot afford a single new infection if the covid is becomes a permanent risk through reactivation.
https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fpubh.2021.663045/full
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41575-021-00416-6
https://bmcpediatr.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s12887-021-02976-7
https://gut.bmj.com/content/71/1/230
https://www.medpagetoday.com/infectiousdisease/covid19/85315
https://www.indiaspend.com/explainers/covid-transmission-through-faeces-759884
They masks can increase the airway temperature by increasing humidity and therefore assisting your nasal passage in effectively inactivating the virus, much like your method.
There seem to be two schools of thought in the anti-covid-vax scientists:
1. There is Geert Vanden Bossche who is warning us about vax-caused immune pressure and more infectious variants.
2. There are doctors for covid ethics with Michael Yeadon saying "don't worry about variants because T-cell immunity is broad, long-lived and protective". But most importantly, there is Sucharit Bhakdi saying that the first line of immune response is that of the mucosal immunity in the upper respiratory tract and there aren't vaccinal IgG Abs there - only secretory IgA (https://doctors4covidethics.org/immunology-101-why-intramuscular-covid-19-vaccination-must-fail/). If this is the innate immune response, then isn't that a conflict with the statement that vaccinal IgG will outcompete the innate Abs and prevent training of the innate immune system? I mean if vaccinal IgG do not play a role in the first innate immune response as they just aren't there.
Amazing read, thank you for sharing. I feel like I get smarter every time I read this stack.
(Does anyone know specifically which other receptors it uses?)
Thank you Geert. Your words are always appreciated.....though they really 'hurt' my little grey cells.! :)
I just also wanted to say, after 40 years of having a chronic cough, I have found that taking a small teaspoon of Bi-carb of soda in a cup of warm water of great benefit. It is an old wive's tale...I know....with no scientific basis, but it sure does work at soothing a cough. PS. It won't fix covid, but if any of your readers have a little success with it, my grandmother would be pleased. :)
Geert do think mass vaccination of the children will finally push us over the edge ?
At this point most scientists are welded on to their position & after everything they have said there is no chance they will walk back on their claims.
Germany is looking at booster 4 already.
What you say seems to make the most sense in my mind & signs are pointing to you being correct but everything is still theory at this stage. Is there a certain country we should watch for the signals, like Israel who are ahead in terms of vaccination timeline ?
Geert -- a quick question:
Do you have information on the types of antibodies that exert the suppression of the innate antibodies that impact on protection from infection (ie, via competitive binding)? Usually these might be considered to be IgG but given the location of infection in the upper respiratory tract is it more likely that they're IgA? If they are, what is the impact of the rapid IgA antibody waning seen with the coronavirus vaccines on the risks inherent with innate immune suppression? I suppose the question might be phrased as: is the suppression of the innate immune system mediated at local (upper respiratory tract) or systemic level?
I apologise for asking but there's just so little research being done in this field (or, at least, being published).
Sorry, but does anybody know which John is this? John Ioannidis?
Does it matter?
John Ioannidis is one of the most cited researchers on Earth. So him collaborating with Geert is a pretty big deal. So yes, it does matter. John has been in contact with Steve Kirsch recently. Steve and Geert already know each other AFAIK so that's why I was asking the question.
But John Ioannidis has been vocally critical of draconian measures like lockdowns since the beginning of the pandemic. So he is very much not conforming to the official narrative.
Are there any current papers showing strong evidence of ADE in datasets and/or metabolic pathways touched upon in this discussion? I need a citation for a Twitter debate in which I'm engaged. In mid-2020 I foresaw vaccine-enhanced disease as likely following mRNA vax, but now we need to be able to point to studies and mechanisms as we see evidence in case numbers and outcomes.
Dear Geert,
I would like to thank you for all your hard work and perseverance throughout these past few years. We have all learned so much through your wonderful (&thorough) presentations + publications. Your courageous voice has meant so much and has been a lifeline to so many. For this I believe you will always be remembered.
I understand this is a difficult time for humanity (on so many levels) and I have a lot of pessimism personally, but having you here... something alike spotting an iridescent bird in the wilderness of insanity. Merci.
Please know we think of you and your family and wish you all the very best in health & happiness for the new year ahead. You are very dear to us.
Stay strong xx
Just curious, who is "John"?
Geert. This is very odd. New flu epidemic in Rio de Janeiro, its summer there. The variant is provisionally named H3N2 Darwin, because it was first reported in the city of Darwin, Australia.
Here in Australia we have NOT had a flu season for 2 years.
The H3N2 influenza virus has left several states ( Brazil) on alert because of the increase in the number of cases and deaths caused by the disease in December. In Rio de Janeiro, there are 5 deaths and more than 20,000 confirmed cases.... thoughts ?https://www.poder360.com.br/brasil/novo-surto-de-gripe-se-espalha-pelo-brasil-e-estados-ja-registram-mortes/
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I think he's saying they may be able to more safely regain or develop some immunity by exposure to/infection with this mild Omicron mutation. But further boosters during my the Omicron wave will damage their immune system further, including by further driving mutations away from the spike entry point & toward the secondary entries. They already know the virus can enter macrophages. Cells do not last forever; those damaged immune cells will have been replaced by healthy monocytes, possibly restoring some innate response.
Thank you too... no formal education background here... need more simple sound bites to effectively communicate to public... so drug co.’s already working on Omicron vax are doing exactly the wrong thing?... unvaxxed & wanting to crawl into my hole and pull the hole in after me...