Does this then mean that the unvaccinated will be at risk for death like the unvaccinated chickens were? Or are you saying in this case, the unvaccinated will be better off because their innate immune systems have stayed more in tact? If the unvaccinated will be at such a high risk of death, like the unvaccinated chickens, it seems that the only solution left is to be vaccinated. I hope this is not true, as I've believed that not getting vaccinated was actually the greater contribution to society by allowing herd immunity to continue to be a possibility. Thanks for any help understanding this Geert!
Only if we remain naive to covid, altho prior exposure to corona head colds helps too. If it is spreading as extensively as they think, we should all get exposed to Omicron pretty easily. That will give sterilizing immunity. Geert has recommended just going about daily biz, avoiding big crowds or overexposure. Personally, my life is so isolated I'm thinking I need to get out more to make sure I don't miss this opportunity.
It is confusing. Nevertheless, Geert has stated it best to remain unvaccinated. We are the only hope for herd immunity on a population level as we get well from the illness. If everyone were treated early with an early treatment protocol, almost no one would have to die. There will always be deaths of course, just as a regular cold can kill an elderly, fragile person. But the unvaccinated should do well with our innate and adaptive immune systems trained and vibrantly healthy with our vitamin D, good sleep, exercise, and excellent diet. Cheers and Merry Christmas.
"ADE in vaccinees will provide the virus with exceptional virulence and make it resemble Marek in unvaccinated…this means natural selection against all those whose innate immunity got messed up."
I had to read this a couple of times but I think he means that the unvaccinated with intact innate immunity represent the vaccinated chickens in the Marek's example and the vaccinated will be adversely affected due to poor affinity of vaccinal neutralizing antibodies. I stand to be corrected though.
I hope Geert replies to this question?🙏Are the unvaccinated at greater risk with more virulent virus like the Marek chickens??? What about the unvaxxed with naturally acquired immunity post disease??? The natural selection against (the vaxxed or unvaxxed or both ??) whose innate immune system got messed up?
When I reread it, I interpreted it to mean that the ADE will RESEMBLE (key word!) the virulence of the virus in the unvaccinated chickens in mareks, but it will actually be the vaccinated suffering from the virulent strain due to ADE, not the unvaccinated.
I find this confusing as all heck but from the linked article:
Geert:
Omicron should not be a problem for the unvax’ed whose innate immunity got meanwhile well trained. Older vax’ed age groups have revealed lower case rates (according to PHE) than younger age groups which suggests enhanced affinity of innate Abs (must have been acquired prior to vaccination). Younger vax’ed age groups have high titers of naïve Abs. When set free, those can easily deal with variants (that’s why no youngsters or children got the disease at the beginning of the pandemic). Of course, there are still the people with underlying diseases, most of whom have been jabbed. They cannot rely on their innate Abs and yes, I expect a relatively high case fatality rate in those (unless treated) but of very short duration as a steep incline of infectivity (due to high level of infectiousness) would be followed by a steep decline (due to massive elimination of the virus by a large cohort of +/- simultaneously asymptomatically/ mildly infected individuals.
I’ve heard Geert talk about this a few times. If I’m understanding him correctly, it seems that if we continue to encounter the virus our immune systems recognize it and fight it. Even to the point of keeping us from getting it at all. If we continue to encounter it our immune systems continue to be trained to fight it. All of this in the context of having a strong innate immune system I believe. Once you’ve had Covid, your immunity is robust, but I believe when he talks about training he is referencing the continued exposure to the virus.
From having covid, or I think Geert has said some immune systems may have been trained by a coronavirus cold before SARS COV-2 that helps them fight it off with their natural immune system.
As I understand it the training comes from having come into contact with C19 (any of the variants) and your innate immune system fighting it off before the virus is able to get further than upper respiratory. You likely will have had little if any symptoms because your innate immune system was strong enough to fight it off quickly. Please correct me if I have misunderstood this though.
When I do a search on the term “train immune system” the articles just talk about training and strengthening the immune system in general, such as with vitamins, exercise. I don’t think that’s what Geert means, but he has advocated for a healthy diet lifestyle as well (unlike the CDC, which never mentions it).
Taking care of your health in general is of course very important for good health outcomes (and the prophylaxis protocol developed by the FLCCC team will work for most) but I also don't think this is what GVB is referring to by 'training' either.
If the virus mutate enough like in Marek's case we will have a disease so lethal even newborns will die and that can even spread between other species with similar genetics, i remember reading recently that wild birds are even getting it now. This must be why they are trying so hard to vaccinate children, they are creating this situation where even right after you are born you will be subscribed to big pharma's product of choice.
If enough people stay unvaccinated and the vaccinated stop taking the shots there is still time to avoid the worst case scenario, i think that is the point here, while staying unvaccinated will prevent to some point Original Antigenic Sin hitting hard on you, you are already primed for other coronavirus through your life thus you can be asymptomatic, however because of this you can eventually get pretty bad from time to time from other versions of coronavirus and if recovered you will probably get a better immune response from then on, however the vaccinated thrice and boosted are far too damaged, their immune system is already primed to the Spike Protein and only that, so they are far too vulnerable to all variants to come, also being the reason they exist and proliferate.
It doesn't look like we are in an ADE situation yet, for now it is more likely it is only Original Antigenic Sin at work that will lead to ADE eventually if they continue to give more and more shots at reduced intervals of time.
We ain't chickens {well' there are a few mother cluckers who shall remain [go Brandon] unnamed).
As the good doctor and many others have said:
Keep a healthy diet and calm mind
Keep up on supplements like zinc and D3 and C etc.
At the first sign of feeling even a slight bit off, ramp up aforementioned supplements to higher dosages/frequencies, add NAC [N-Acetyl Cysteine] and/or Ivermectin and/or L-Lysine with one or all of: elderberry syrup, black seed oil, anise essential oil to keep viral replication from beating out your immune system's ability to adapt and conquer.
One thing that I did differently with Delta (that kept my version mild while my husband's was worse even with monoclonal antibody treatment), was I took astralagus [a powerful immune modulating herb/root] extract in both capsule and powdered form. Asparagus [I keep canned on hand] also helps boost Glutathione.
Anyhoo, they can tell me I'm going to sprout ten heads if I don't get the jab and I'm still not falling for it.
I had covid March 2020 for about 5 weeks. I can not be injected with something that I see causing people around me adverse reactions. I had a horrible reaction to Amoxiclav in Feburay 2021 I had to take them due to a bacterial infection and had to attend hospital as the procduct caused a skin reaction severe. I also know I have EBV and would hate to even consider what this injection could do to my being. I pray for all of us that the world wakes to the reality that natural immunity is the best thing for us. I will not be injected. I thank you for your work and helping people to understand the science.
Geert, it is often quite difficult to ascertain your meaning when comparing the position of the vaccinated v unvaccinated given stated parameters. Despite reading multiple times, I am left not knowing which group is, generally speaking, better off. A rather critical point. Could you please finish these convoluted (to us laymen) statements with a layman's statement - such as 'therefore, the unvaccinated will likely be better off.' Cheers.
By the way, thank you for contributing to real herd immunity instead of Lord Fauci’s version of it (which is like a mythical unicorn when it comes to the vaccines). Snicker-snort. Merry Christmas!
I beg to differ. "an act that will be remembered as the deadliest sin ever" will be forever changed, the most deadly act before covid was something else.And the most deadly act after covid will be something else as well. Covid is a mass media manipulation experiment and it's working out great.
So enhanced for everybody, but the vaccinated will still be better off? That is kind of a prisoners dilemma. For society as a whole it is better if nobody is vaccinated, but for the individual it is better to be vaccinated.
But transgenic injections are not "vaccines". The newly genetically modified humans ("vaccinated") have undergone a gene therapy procedure and are the patented products of Pfizer, J&J, Moderna and AstraZeneca who own the patented DNA and mRNA used in the gene therapies as per the international law.
No they are not. The editing process & resulting dna sequence are patented & property of their developers, not the humans.
Think about the Monsanto gma lawsuits, when their gma corn spread to small organic farms, Monsanto didn't sue for the corn, they sued for licensing fees.
That is another way to read it. Marek is better for the vaccinated and an ADE situation would be better for the unvaccinated. Perhaps I misread the original message.
Both seem plausible outcomes of the current situation anyway I guess. So time will tell.
"All situs are better for the recovered unvaxxed." ... who have good innate immunity and possibility of ADE (unknown). Currently the only people at an advantage are unvaccinated uninfected children. Everyone else is in danger.
The only time I felt true despair about been unvaxxed was after I saw the Highwire's discussion about Marek's disease in chickens. It sounded pretty hopeless for the unvaccinated chickens, and then eventually for the vaccinated ones as well.
I think the world is finally starting to listen to you Geert. I see influencers on Youtube like Dr. John Campbell echoing your advice. He's not giving you credit but I doubt if you are attempting to save the world for personal glory. Keep up the good fight!
Thank you Geert Vanden Bossche. I fear the worst for every human being especially the vaccinated. Now they are talking about giving a 3rd booster as of 12/23/21 to healthcare workers. They will kill the economy I know many healthcare workers and regular people that stand in solidarity of health freedom.
I will be a stark ending if the vaccines are kept being pushed.
Having some East Asian descent, I wonder if I and/or my family has the gene that supposedly provides some immunity? Are these tests available and would having the gene mean the gene works/is expressed? And woukd all family members in the lineage have it too? (I know it’s probably a long shot to find the answer or to get the test.)
If Omicron is less pathogenic than Delta, would this be possible evidence that ADE isn't driving this mutation, or is this a potential glitch and we need to see a pattern with timing after the massvax started.
Does this then mean that the unvaccinated will be at risk for death like the unvaccinated chickens were? Or are you saying in this case, the unvaccinated will be better off because their innate immune systems have stayed more in tact? If the unvaccinated will be at such a high risk of death, like the unvaccinated chickens, it seems that the only solution left is to be vaccinated. I hope this is not true, as I've believed that not getting vaccinated was actually the greater contribution to society by allowing herd immunity to continue to be a possibility. Thanks for any help understanding this Geert!
Only if we remain naive to covid, altho prior exposure to corona head colds helps too. If it is spreading as extensively as they think, we should all get exposed to Omicron pretty easily. That will give sterilizing immunity. Geert has recommended just going about daily biz, avoiding big crowds or overexposure. Personally, my life is so isolated I'm thinking I need to get out more to make sure I don't miss this opportunity.
It is confusing. Nevertheless, Geert has stated it best to remain unvaccinated. We are the only hope for herd immunity on a population level as we get well from the illness. If everyone were treated early with an early treatment protocol, almost no one would have to die. There will always be deaths of course, just as a regular cold can kill an elderly, fragile person. But the unvaccinated should do well with our innate and adaptive immune systems trained and vibrantly healthy with our vitamin D, good sleep, exercise, and excellent diet. Cheers and Merry Christmas.
"ADE in vaccinees will provide the virus with exceptional virulence and make it resemble Marek in unvaccinated…this means natural selection against all those whose innate immunity got messed up."
I had to read this a couple of times but I think he means that the unvaccinated with intact innate immunity represent the vaccinated chickens in the Marek's example and the vaccinated will be adversely affected due to poor affinity of vaccinal neutralizing antibodies. I stand to be corrected though.
Interesting [long] article on Marek's disease:
https://notesfromthesocialclinic.org/mareks-disease-a-cautionary-tale/
That is how I read it, LB. Let’s see if Geert concurs. I bet he will.
I hope Geert replies to this question?🙏Are the unvaccinated at greater risk with more virulent virus like the Marek chickens??? What about the unvaxxed with naturally acquired immunity post disease??? The natural selection against (the vaxxed or unvaxxed or both ??) whose innate immune system got messed up?
When I reread it, I interpreted it to mean that the ADE will RESEMBLE (key word!) the virulence of the virus in the unvaccinated chickens in mareks, but it will actually be the vaccinated suffering from the virulent strain due to ADE, not the unvaccinated.
That was my take too, Maria.
we need clarification 💕🐱💕
I find this confusing as all heck but from the linked article:
Geert:
Omicron should not be a problem for the unvax’ed whose innate immunity got meanwhile well trained. Older vax’ed age groups have revealed lower case rates (according to PHE) than younger age groups which suggests enhanced affinity of innate Abs (must have been acquired prior to vaccination). Younger vax’ed age groups have high titers of naïve Abs. When set free, those can easily deal with variants (that’s why no youngsters or children got the disease at the beginning of the pandemic). Of course, there are still the people with underlying diseases, most of whom have been jabbed. They cannot rely on their innate Abs and yes, I expect a relatively high case fatality rate in those (unless treated) but of very short duration as a steep incline of infectivity (due to high level of infectiousness) would be followed by a steep decline (due to massive elimination of the virus by a large cohort of +/- simultaneously asymptomatically/ mildly infected individuals.
Thank you!
I don’t get where the training comes from?
I’ve heard Geert talk about this a few times. If I’m understanding him correctly, it seems that if we continue to encounter the virus our immune systems recognize it and fight it. Even to the point of keeping us from getting it at all. If we continue to encounter it our immune systems continue to be trained to fight it. All of this in the context of having a strong innate immune system I believe. Once you’ve had Covid, your immunity is robust, but I believe when he talks about training he is referencing the continued exposure to the virus.
From having covid, or I think Geert has said some immune systems may have been trained by a coronavirus cold before SARS COV-2 that helps them fight it off with their natural immune system.
Yes!
I believe it's from having had c-19 at least once[???}
As I understand it the training comes from having come into contact with C19 (any of the variants) and your innate immune system fighting it off before the virus is able to get further than upper respiratory. You likely will have had little if any symptoms because your innate immune system was strong enough to fight it off quickly. Please correct me if I have misunderstood this though.
That sounds right to me.
Makes me wonder if monoclonal antibody treatment helped/harmed in this situation? Boy, I have more question than answers from this article.
Good question. Unfortunately, I do not know.
When I do a search on the term “train immune system” the articles just talk about training and strengthening the immune system in general, such as with vitamins, exercise. I don’t think that’s what Geert means, but he has advocated for a healthy diet lifestyle as well (unlike the CDC, which never mentions it).
Taking care of your health in general is of course very important for good health outcomes (and the prophylaxis protocol developed by the FLCCC team will work for most) but I also don't think this is what GVB is referring to by 'training' either.
Kalle, have exact same question as you 💕🐱💕
If the virus mutate enough like in Marek's case we will have a disease so lethal even newborns will die and that can even spread between other species with similar genetics, i remember reading recently that wild birds are even getting it now. This must be why they are trying so hard to vaccinate children, they are creating this situation where even right after you are born you will be subscribed to big pharma's product of choice.
If enough people stay unvaccinated and the vaccinated stop taking the shots there is still time to avoid the worst case scenario, i think that is the point here, while staying unvaccinated will prevent to some point Original Antigenic Sin hitting hard on you, you are already primed for other coronavirus through your life thus you can be asymptomatic, however because of this you can eventually get pretty bad from time to time from other versions of coronavirus and if recovered you will probably get a better immune response from then on, however the vaccinated thrice and boosted are far too damaged, their immune system is already primed to the Spike Protein and only that, so they are far too vulnerable to all variants to come, also being the reason they exist and proliferate.
It doesn't look like we are in an ADE situation yet, for now it is more likely it is only Original Antigenic Sin at work that will lead to ADE eventually if they continue to give more and more shots at reduced intervals of time.
Stress and fear are immune system killers.
We ain't chickens {well' there are a few mother cluckers who shall remain [go Brandon] unnamed).
As the good doctor and many others have said:
Keep a healthy diet and calm mind
Keep up on supplements like zinc and D3 and C etc.
At the first sign of feeling even a slight bit off, ramp up aforementioned supplements to higher dosages/frequencies, add NAC [N-Acetyl Cysteine] and/or Ivermectin and/or L-Lysine with one or all of: elderberry syrup, black seed oil, anise essential oil to keep viral replication from beating out your immune system's ability to adapt and conquer.
One thing that I did differently with Delta (that kept my version mild while my husband's was worse even with monoclonal antibody treatment), was I took astralagus [a powerful immune modulating herb/root] extract in both capsule and powdered form. Asparagus [I keep canned on hand] also helps boost Glutathione.
Anyhoo, they can tell me I'm going to sprout ten heads if I don't get the jab and I'm still not falling for it.
🙌Stay positive!🙌
Great advice, Angelbb!👍Thank you for posting it.
Most welcome! Forgot to mention Brazil nuts for Selenium too. Manuka honey too. Kitchen sink i t! Ha! 😊
Don't forget nebulizer treatments with saline and hydrogen peroxide/iodine/ colloidal silver. etc.
I had covid March 2020 for about 5 weeks. I can not be injected with something that I see causing people around me adverse reactions. I had a horrible reaction to Amoxiclav in Feburay 2021 I had to take them due to a bacterial infection and had to attend hospital as the procduct caused a skin reaction severe. I also know I have EBV and would hate to even consider what this injection could do to my being. I pray for all of us that the world wakes to the reality that natural immunity is the best thing for us. I will not be injected. I thank you for your work and helping people to understand the science.
Geert, it is often quite difficult to ascertain your meaning when comparing the position of the vaccinated v unvaccinated given stated parameters. Despite reading multiple times, I am left not knowing which group is, generally speaking, better off. A rather critical point. Could you please finish these convoluted (to us laymen) statements with a layman's statement - such as 'therefore, the unvaccinated will likely be better off.' Cheers.
Just go about your normal affairs. You'll exercise your immunity by being in public and petting dogs and cats.
How do the unvaxxed’s immune systems get “trained” if they have never gotten Covid? Do they need to spend time near people who have it?
I think Geert has said some people's immune system may be trained by a coronavirus cold before SARS Cov-2 arrived on the scene.
Since it can be asymptomatic in some people... you may have had it without even knowing.
Sorry, that was entirely unhelpful. :|
When you say the vaxxed will be selected against, can you elaborate on the prognosis?
What does that mean exactly for people like myself who have contracted covid twice, first time severe second time very mild and unvaxed?
It means you are fine. You are in the catbird seat, Sean. Good job.
By the way, thank you for contributing to real herd immunity instead of Lord Fauci’s version of it (which is like a mythical unicorn when it comes to the vaccines). Snicker-snort. Merry Christmas!
Merry Christmas to you too.
I live in England here it's his royal highness Chris whitty and he is even weirder that fauci.
And thanks for the reply to you and go alive, I will be able to sleep a bit better tonight.
I think it means you're safer than the average bear!
I got the original twice in 2020 (first time, average flu symptoms, second time more like a bad cold).
This year I got Delta (mild cold but lost my sense of smell and taste which is finally coming back).
Yes and both of you are invited for Christmas here, no testing, mask, or vax required. Lol! Ho Ho Ho.
YAY1 lol :))))
I beg to differ. "an act that will be remembered as the deadliest sin ever" will be forever changed, the most deadly act before covid was something else.And the most deadly act after covid will be something else as well. Covid is a mass media manipulation experiment and it's working out great.
So enhanced for everybody, but the vaccinated will still be better off? That is kind of a prisoners dilemma. For society as a whole it is better if nobody is vaccinated, but for the individual it is better to be vaccinated.
But transgenic injections are not "vaccines". The newly genetically modified humans ("vaccinated") have undergone a gene therapy procedure and are the patented products of Pfizer, J&J, Moderna and AstraZeneca who own the patented DNA and mRNA used in the gene therapies as per the international law.
No they are not. The editing process & resulting dna sequence are patented & property of their developers, not the humans.
Think about the Monsanto gma lawsuits, when their gma corn spread to small organic farms, Monsanto didn't sue for the corn, they sued for licensing fees.
That is another way to read it. Marek is better for the vaccinated and an ADE situation would be better for the unvaccinated. Perhaps I misread the original message.
Both seem plausible outcomes of the current situation anyway I guess. So time will tell.
Marek is bad only for the *naive unvaxxed". All situs are better for the recovered unvaxxed.
"All situs are better for the recovered unvaxxed." ... who have good innate immunity and possibility of ADE (unknown). Currently the only people at an advantage are unvaccinated uninfected children. Everyone else is in danger.
So, should I get jabbed?
Unless you are a hermit, you should get exposed to Omicron & develop natural immunity. Whether or not you get jabbed is up to you.
The only time I felt true despair about been unvaxxed was after I saw the Highwire's discussion about Marek's disease in chickens. It sounded pretty hopeless for the unvaccinated chickens, and then eventually for the vaccinated ones as well.
I think the world is finally starting to listen to you Geert. I see influencers on Youtube like Dr. John Campbell echoing your advice. He's not giving you credit but I doubt if you are attempting to save the world for personal glory. Keep up the good fight!
Thank you Geert Vanden Bossche. I fear the worst for every human being especially the vaccinated. Now they are talking about giving a 3rd booster as of 12/23/21 to healthcare workers. They will kill the economy I know many healthcare workers and regular people that stand in solidarity of health freedom.
I will be a stark ending if the vaccines are kept being pushed.
Having some East Asian descent, I wonder if I and/or my family has the gene that supposedly provides some immunity? Are these tests available and would having the gene mean the gene works/is expressed? And woukd all family members in the lineage have it too? (I know it’s probably a long shot to find the answer or to get the test.)
If Omicron is less pathogenic than Delta, would this be possible evidence that ADE isn't driving this mutation, or is this a potential glitch and we need to see a pattern with timing after the massvax started.