I'm so glad you addressed the vaccinated with this post! We watched part 1 of your interview with Del Bigtree (on The Highwire) last night and found it easy to understand and brilliant. Your response to some of your critics (e.g. Paul Offit) was clear and convincing. Thanks so much for what you are doing.
"It is crystal clear, indeed, that none of the C-19 vaccines is capable of blocking transmission, not even by 1 % !"
Almost as if the scientists that said the "vaccines" had an absolute risk reduction of ~1% were onto something.
Dr. Vanden Bossche, I don't think I have ever had the opportunity to directly message you before personally (I think I @ you on twitter a few times) but I just want to thank you for all you have done and are doing, I have been following you since the beginning. I can only imagine your frustration when it is clear you are correct in your assertions.
my sentiments exactly. Thank you Dr for sharing all of your knowledge with us. It has been beneficial for us to learn the truth and understand completely the science behind the vaccines, and the virus as a whole.
Should unvaccinated steer clear of the boosted people for a while? I'm thinking Christmas is coming and in the US people are getting boosters now. What's the best approach for the unvaccinated? I don't know if I have immunity or caught the virus in the past.
Dr. Vanden Bossche, you will love this, SA scientist were not expecting this: "So we were very surprised to see a variant emerge in a place with the highest population immunity in the country. "
"Can you talk about the COVID situation in South Africa before this?
I would break it into two periods. The situation in the last month was of minimal infections, about two hundred infections per day with a test-positivity rate of less than one per cent, which means that we had more than enough testing. Some scientists thought we wouldn’t have a fourth wave because we had such a high level of population immunity. So during that moment in the last month, we thought that’s it. We won’t have any more problems with COVID. People were relaxed, thinking that we could go back to normal life. Even my lab was sequencing other pathogens and viruses because that is what we do.
So we were very surprised to see a variant emerge in a place with the highest population immunity in the country. I think that is one of the things that the world doesn’t realize. Some people tried to blame the variant on vaccine hesitancy. We have a problem with that, although potentially not as big a problem as the United States. But people really thought we got out of the woods. Unfortunately, the new variant emerged, and it seems clear that it can reinfect people, which is potentially the last nail in the coffin of herd immunity"
I wasn't speaking of origin but the rapid spread. As you know, Delta was present in the population in India several months before it started spreading soon after the Mass Vaccination campaign started.
The point I was making is that experts appear to believe in the notion of herd immunity by natural infection + vaccination but the two examples we see (SA, IND) of rapid take over in a population with massive natural infection immunity + vaccination is that when you start vaccinating younger population during the season where the virus is primed to spread (summer, winter waves) then they start spreading from precisely the exact location where you had maximum prior infection and vaccinations not the other way round in population with low infections and vaccinations.
Geert, can you comment on this: John Campbell (have you heard of him?) has amassed a huge following on Youtube and goes over the "data" daily (supposedly unbiased) - "just the facts please m'aam"
Today he suggested that the new variant Omicron, because it seems much milder, but much more virulent may just be a blessing in disguise! If a huge chunk of the world population gets infected this time (vaccinated or unvaccinated) but only has very mild symptoms - so no big deal,... herd immunity will soon follow, and voila... problem solved. It will soon be nothing more than the common flu, and people can get back to life as they once knew it.
I think Geert answered this in his other article -
Omicron is likely to start out as a mild disease because short-lived, poorly functional anti-S antibodies (Abs) that resulted from previous asymptomatic infection (e.g., with another previously dominant variant) will no longer recognize Omicron. It is, indeed, highly likely that resistance of Omicron will not be limited to vaccinal Abs but also to naturally induced low affinity Abs that result from asymptomatic/ mild infection. Consequently, Abs from such previous infection would no longer compete with relevant innate Abs for binding to the virus. Individuals who previously contracted asymptomatic/ mild infection will, therefore, be able to fully rely on their first line of immune defense to deal with Omicron. This will leave our ‘experts’ with the impression that the virus (in fact Omicron) is becoming less virulent (than Delta) and is on its way to transit into endemicity. However, the overall pattern of ‘mild’ disease would only prevail until Omicron becomes dominant and causes high infection rates. When this happens, short-lived, low affinity anti-S Abs will start to compete with innate Abs in an increasing part of the population as a direct result of the enhanced likelihood of re- exposure shortly after previous infection. High Omicron infection rates will prevent short-lived, poorly functional anti-S Abs from declining in large parts of the population. This, combined with continued mass vaccination with (inevitable?) anti-Omicron vaccines, will enable large populations to exert immune pressure on Omicron’s infectiousness.
One other point, being vaccinated doesn't prevent you from being infectious but the mounted immune response that occurs due to vaccination means you won't be as infectious for as long and you viral load is likely to be lower, will it not?
Isn't it viral replication in the infected cell where the mutations occur potentially creating new strains? That can happen in vaccinated or unvaccinated no? More likely in unvaccinated as more cells become infected. And if the vaccine triggered antibody doesn't bind to the new strain how is it preventing the naturally occurring antibody to bind? Having no vaccinations could lead to multiple strains simply due to random mutations occurring as virions being assembled?
I'm so glad you addressed the vaccinated with this post! We watched part 1 of your interview with Del Bigtree (on The Highwire) last night and found it easy to understand and brilliant. Your response to some of your critics (e.g. Paul Offit) was clear and convincing. Thanks so much for what you are doing.
"It is crystal clear, indeed, that none of the C-19 vaccines is capable of blocking transmission, not even by 1 % !"
Almost as if the scientists that said the "vaccines" had an absolute risk reduction of ~1% were onto something.
Dr. Vanden Bossche, I don't think I have ever had the opportunity to directly message you before personally (I think I @ you on twitter a few times) but I just want to thank you for all you have done and are doing, I have been following you since the beginning. I can only imagine your frustration when it is clear you are correct in your assertions.
my sentiments exactly. Thank you Dr for sharing all of your knowledge with us. It has been beneficial for us to learn the truth and understand completely the science behind the vaccines, and the virus as a whole.
Should unvaccinated steer clear of the boosted people for a while? I'm thinking Christmas is coming and in the US people are getting boosters now. What's the best approach for the unvaccinated? I don't know if I have immunity or caught the virus in the past.
Dr. Vanden Bossche, you will love this, SA scientist were not expecting this: "So we were very surprised to see a variant emerge in a place with the highest population immunity in the country. "
https://www.newyorker.com/news/q-and-a/how-south-african-researchers-identified-the-omicron-variant-of-covid
"Can you talk about the COVID situation in South Africa before this?
I would break it into two periods. The situation in the last month was of minimal infections, about two hundred infections per day with a test-positivity rate of less than one per cent, which means that we had more than enough testing. Some scientists thought we wouldn’t have a fourth wave because we had such a high level of population immunity. So during that moment in the last month, we thought that’s it. We won’t have any more problems with COVID. People were relaxed, thinking that we could go back to normal life. Even my lab was sequencing other pathogens and viruses because that is what we do.
So we were very surprised to see a variant emerge in a place with the highest population immunity in the country. I think that is one of the things that the world doesn’t realize. Some people tried to blame the variant on vaccine hesitancy. We have a problem with that, although potentially not as big a problem as the United States. But people really thought we got out of the woods. Unfortunately, the new variant emerged, and it seems clear that it can reinfect people, which is potentially the last nail in the coffin of herd immunity"
Actually, it turns out the O variant was already present in Europe before South Africa.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/omicron-variant-covid-in-europe-netherlands-before-alert-raised/
I wasn't speaking of origin but the rapid spread. As you know, Delta was present in the population in India several months before it started spreading soon after the Mass Vaccination campaign started.
The point I was making is that experts appear to believe in the notion of herd immunity by natural infection + vaccination but the two examples we see (SA, IND) of rapid take over in a population with massive natural infection immunity + vaccination is that when you start vaccinating younger population during the season where the virus is primed to spread (summer, winter waves) then they start spreading from precisely the exact location where you had maximum prior infection and vaccinations not the other way round in population with low infections and vaccinations.
Geert, can you comment on this: John Campbell (have you heard of him?) has amassed a huge following on Youtube and goes over the "data" daily (supposedly unbiased) - "just the facts please m'aam"
Today he suggested that the new variant Omicron, because it seems much milder, but much more virulent may just be a blessing in disguise! If a huge chunk of the world population gets infected this time (vaccinated or unvaccinated) but only has very mild symptoms - so no big deal,... herd immunity will soon follow, and voila... problem solved. It will soon be nothing more than the common flu, and people can get back to life as they once knew it.
What do you think of that theory?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ctVXfTO850g
I think Geert answered this in his other article -
Omicron is likely to start out as a mild disease because short-lived, poorly functional anti-S antibodies (Abs) that resulted from previous asymptomatic infection (e.g., with another previously dominant variant) will no longer recognize Omicron. It is, indeed, highly likely that resistance of Omicron will not be limited to vaccinal Abs but also to naturally induced low affinity Abs that result from asymptomatic/ mild infection. Consequently, Abs from such previous infection would no longer compete with relevant innate Abs for binding to the virus. Individuals who previously contracted asymptomatic/ mild infection will, therefore, be able to fully rely on their first line of immune defense to deal with Omicron. This will leave our ‘experts’ with the impression that the virus (in fact Omicron) is becoming less virulent (than Delta) and is on its way to transit into endemicity. However, the overall pattern of ‘mild’ disease would only prevail until Omicron becomes dominant and causes high infection rates. When this happens, short-lived, low affinity anti-S Abs will start to compete with innate Abs in an increasing part of the population as a direct result of the enhanced likelihood of re- exposure shortly after previous infection. High Omicron infection rates will prevent short-lived, poorly functional anti-S Abs from declining in large parts of the population. This, combined with continued mass vaccination with (inevitable?) anti-Omicron vaccines, will enable large populations to exert immune pressure on Omicron’s infectiousness.
Does Carina Harkin have any information about acupuncture and immunity? Has there been research done on this?
One other point, being vaccinated doesn't prevent you from being infectious but the mounted immune response that occurs due to vaccination means you won't be as infectious for as long and you viral load is likely to be lower, will it not?
Isn't it viral replication in the infected cell where the mutations occur potentially creating new strains? That can happen in vaccinated or unvaccinated no? More likely in unvaccinated as more cells become infected. And if the vaccine triggered antibody doesn't bind to the new strain how is it preventing the naturally occurring antibody to bind? Having no vaccinations could lead to multiple strains simply due to random mutations occurring as virions being assembled?
Is something wrong with this platform as it doesn't allow to reply to comments?
try refreshing the page each time. It is some little "virus" he he
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