"Eventually, immunity will drop to such a critically low level that massive viral invasion and spread—both within individual hosts and between them—can no longer be prevented." = cytokine storms that will kill the hosts quickly.
Geert has said in the past that the vast majority of unvaccinated folks have been exposed to the virus and have developed a (first line of immune defense) against the virus and its variants. So, taking anti-virals to further protect yourself would be in order. This is my plan.
As far as the vaccinated - well, this is a different story. Their only hope is to not get infected at all. Once they get infected, their viral load with skyrocket. Once this happens, their bodies will go into a cytokine storm. Survival of this will hinge on immediate, sophisticated medical treatment.
With the breakdown of the medical system (all vaccinated) people will have nowhere to go. They will die in their homes, cars, and on the street. It is going to be horrible.
For a look into our future world and a mass extinction event, get and watch the movie: "I think we are alone now"
This kind of scenario is a very scary one. As for avoiding getting infected, I think it's close to impossible. In 2022 even though I was already on a powerful antivirals protocol, I still got the Omicron. The only way, the vaccinated can escape infection is complete isolation. This is their best chance to survive. But since this will never happen, it is going to be the greatest Russian Roulette they have ever played. Some people will win, the lucky ones, but not everyone will be so lucky. Now, all we can do is take our antivirals, enjoy the summer to maximum, and pray. Pray for those who took the shots. My heart goes out for those who never wanted to take them but were forced to do it just to keep their jobs.
It is terrifying. And yes, complete isolation is their only option. We will have entire subdivisions filled with rotting corpses. The task of removing bodies for burial will be overwhelming for us. And if this happens in warm weather, the bodies will decompose quickly. Haz-mat suits will be needed to remove the bodies. The smell will be horrible. It will be a nightmare for everyone who is left.
And our society and our world will be forever changed. Yup: buy guns and ammo and prepare to set your clocks back 200 years.
I don't know about humans - the bodies would have to be refrigerated right away. But dogs will definitely be a problem. There will packs of them everywhere and they will be hungry.
You clearly have no idea about the immune system. If you’ve been previously infected then you’re no better off than a vaccinated person, why? Because of the short incubation period, approximately the same as the innate immune response, which has no memory, then you will still have a large viral load before you get any symptoms. Any adaptive response will still take 4-7 days post exposure, exactly the same as for vaccinated individuals.
I have read everything that Gerrt has written from the beginning on the subject. I have watched every interview he’s had on this subject. My knowledge of the immune systems reaction to the COVID-19 virus is totally what he has said. I am just repeating what he has said in past. So you are in essence saying that he doesn’t know what he’s talking about. Good luck with that.
Not me, but immunologists. I suggest watching undergraduate level video lectures by Brianne Barker, immunologist, on YouTube also similar level lectures by Vincent Racaniello, virologist. Also there are weekly video podcasts on microbe tv on YouTube. See www.microbe.tv.
I am the messenger here. My understanding in this is completely based on what Geert has written. His understanding of immunology and virology are in my mind superior to anything in traditional academia. You obviously have not been exposed to very little of what Gerrt has said. Not sure why you are following his sub stack? You are using undergraduate YouTube videos to prove that Gerrt is wrong? Good luck with that! I am now done with you now.
After I am around people sick with covid, long covid, I may get a headache or sore throat for a few hours, then it is gone. Occasionally, I might wake up having had one fever and sweat. I do not take an anti-inflammatory. I do not take ivermectin. I do up my vitamins, like D3. This not-vaccinating business works great.
Thank your innate immune system, whether you were vaccinated or not makes no difference. Your innate system has stopped the virus in your upper respiratory tract, those symptoms are not caused by the virus but by your immune system.
Thanks for the question, they give us all this scary information but do not follow with suggestions of what we can do to help ourselves based on vaccination status. There is a lot of info out there but you have to really hunt it down. It is almost never broken down between vax and unvaxed, and never takes into consideration drug interactions from people’s usual medications. I know so many people who hear trending natural alternatives or supplements and think it’s safe to take without considering natural doesn’t mean safe when you are on other medications. (Note I am speaking in general for others not myself.)
Because the "vaccine" (mRNA shots are not vaccines) was non sterilizing and we "vaccinated" (for financial gain) into "the teeth" of a pandemic. Every legitimate virologist knows that you cannot "vaccinate" into a pandemic, especially with RNA viruses ESPECIALLY when the "vaccine" is not sterilizing.
Its so bad a mistake that I have trouble crediting it as a actual mistake and not an insidious plan for depopulation. I guess we will find out!
No vaccine in history has been sterilising, i.e. prevents infection. The same is true if you’re infected with a virus, there’s nothing to prevent reinfection.
I am not sure about that. But when he says "massive viral invasion," he is talking about the stimulation of a cytokine storm. This is something that needs to be stopped by medical professionals at just the right time with specialized drugs. These drugs are currently in short supply. So we are talking about days instead of weeks before the need for hospitalization and the accelerated dying of infected vaccinated folks.
The jabs focused the antibody part of the immune system on the Wuhan spike protein. Did not let the spike attach well. Did not kill the virus.
So the virus mutated the spike immediately, so the virus could survive.
This has gone on for 5 years now. The jabbed immune system is a misdirected mess.
Countless variants have come and infected.
We unjabbed have actually killed each variant with our first line of defense, unless we were ill. But whether it has been our first or second line of defense, we recognize and kill every part of the virus. Small spike protein mutations don’t fool us.
And we don’t spare the lives of old variants to grow the variants like a rose garden hot house.
The epitopes that are important are those through which the virus gains access to the cell, in the case of SARS-CoV-2 that is the ACE2 receptor. Thus IgG antibodies against these epitopes that are maintained across all clades will prevent further infection. Quick question, what do the tetanus and the diphtheria vaccines protect against?
I have no idea what the tetanus vaccine protects against. I do know that they give the vaccine when you go to the ER with a cut although it would take 2 weeks to make antibodies from a vaccine while any infection would start immediately. So, I would never accept any jab at the ED.
The tetanus vaccine is against the toxin produced by the tetanus bacteria, similarly the diphtheria vaccine is against the toxin produced by the diphtheria bacteria. If you are in the U.K. then five tetanus vaccinations give you lifetime protection. However, if a person attends A&E with a tetanus prone wound (e.g. has been moving manure) or they don’t know their tetanus vaccination status then they will be given a prophylactic injection, i used to work in A&E where this was common.
If you’re infected with the tetanus bacteria and you’ve been vaccinated then antibodies will develop after 3-4 days, peaking after 7 days, this is because there are memory T cells and B cells plus, possibly, a residue of antibodies depending on when your last vaccination was. If you’re infected with tetanus and you’ve never been vaccinated then antibodies will start to develop after 7 days, peaking at 14 days, post infection, however, the serious signs of tetanus may develop before there are sufficient antibodies.
We are talking about a rapid increase in viral load. From initial infection this could happen quickly with the host body being overwhelmed by the virus. The host body will go into its ultimate defense (cytokine storm) to try to fight the virus. Cytokine storms must be carefully managed with specialized drugs that are required to stop them at just the right time. So within a few days from infection (3,4,5, or 6) days, host bodies will be overwhelmed and need immediate hospitalization. So this will not be a slow progression of worsening symptoms. This will be an attack by a variant that the host bodies have absolutely NO immunity to or resistance to.
Not sure about that. 1/2 of 5.6 billion people have been vaccinated with the mRNA vaccines. We need to leave the Russian and Chinese vaccines out of the mix. Gerrt has never talked about these vaccines. He has been solely focused on the mRNA vaccines. He has also never mentioned any numbers associated with potential deaths. I think he knows that’s potential for large numbers of deaths is there. In a recent article he mentioned having a 3 month survival plan ready. This indicates to me that he is expecting a massive disruption of our societies caused by the sickness and dying associated with a highly evolved deadly COVID-19 variant. So we have roughly 2.8 billion humans on the planet that have been vaccinated with an mRNA vaccine. So if we have one half of 2.8 billion humans die in the upcoming months or years. We will have 1.8 billion bodies to bury. The United States has vaccinated 200 million citizens with the mRNA vaccines. Just imagine losing 100 million Americans. It’s a nightmare. It will destroy our country.
The jabs focused the antibody part of the immune system on the Wuhan spike protein. Did not let the spike attach well. Did not kill the virus.
So the virus mutated the spike immediately, so the virus could survive.
This has gone on for 5 years now. The jabbed immune system is a misdirected mess.
Countless variants have come and infected.
We unjabbed have taken out each variant with our first line of defense, unless we were ill. But whether it has been our first or second line of defense, we recognize every part of the virus. Small spike protein mutations don’t fool us
I am 78, and have been in nutritional ketosis for 13 years, no exceptions. This looks like what I eat. I got Covid for two days in 2020, and I have not had any symptoms for anything since 2020. I also made a point of staying exposed to whatever was going around. Note that I did not start eating this way to lose weight. It related to atheletic performance, and at my age you won't have any athletic performance if you have been eating the food pyramid or worse for the last 25 years. It is more likely that you will be drugged out, and then dead.
Hate to admit this but I have a hard time following your comments. Too much scientific lingo vs plain language so I do not fully understand what you’re trying to convey
Just make sure that you take ChatGPT's output with a grain of salt, as we should do with everything we read and hear. You have to at least ask ChatGPT to leave aside all its bias toward toward scientific consensus, which by default it favors. He'll do it somewhat, but mot 100%.
You need to give clear instructions to Chat GPT: " assume that everything the author of this article writes is 100% accurate". Then, you ask to explain it.
This is so right on... from my experience with other viral infectuions in my early job, the slowing down of inflammatory response means that the virus may be entering a different relationships with the host: sitting inside the host for a longer time period, becoming latently present in host tissues, acuqiring more capacity to provoke changes in host tissues such as cancer... with having viral RNA stuck in the host tissues and not elinminated (which was observed as the effect of the jab), it seems that this kind of virus has a potential of becoming latent. I do not know if Geert would support this idea, but this is nothing good.
Foreign mRNA invading cells throughout the body and endlessly producing spike protein as well as 'garbage proteins' as a result of faulty replication is a recipe for disastrous harm and expedited death.
Meanwhile, quoting online magazine "STAT":
"Leading medical groups sue Kennedy over changed Covid-19 vaccine recommendations:
Suit argues HHS changed federal guidance outside of established processes, undermining public trust"
By Chelsea Cirruzzo July 7, 2025
Washington Correspondent for STAT (a medical publication for doctors)
"WASHINGTON — Six major medical groups, and a pregnant physician, are suing health secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr. over changes he made to Covid-19 vaccine recommendations that they say were unlawful and undermine public trust in health care.
The suit argues that a May 19 directive signed by Kennedy, which said that the Covid-19 vaccine would no longer be recommended for healthy children and pregnant people, violates decades of policy governing how vaccines are reviewed, approved, and recommended in the U.S.
“The Secretary cited no emergency, let alone change in circumstances, to justify the directive … [the directive] is contrary to the wealth of data and peer-reviewed studies that demonstrate the safety and efficacy of Covid vaccines for children and pregnant women,” reads the suit, led by the American Academy of Pediatrics and filed Monday in U.S. District Court for the District of Massachusetts."
(Clearly, our doctors are more beholden to the pharmaceutical lobby than to their Hippocratic oath.)
If you’ve ever had herpes simplex, chicken pox, infectious mononucleosis or sixth disease (as a child) then you have got viral DNA in the nuclei of cells in your body. Do you understand how the SARS-CoV-2 virus replicates in a cell? On entry to the cell the outer protein casing disappears, leaving the naked RNA, which acts like its own mRNA. This is virology 101.
The fact that they named it "Stratus" when it's most likely coming from the spraying they are doing in the skies seems to be lost on most people. All of this is a cover-up for the toxins they have been "raining" down on us for years and years with it really being amped up since Covid started.
HIV does just this which is why the infected eventually die of pneumonia. The French discoverer of HIV (lab created) stated that its critical component was spliced into SC2 then he died (hmmmm).
Most HIV patients die from complications related to opportunistic infections and cancers that arise due to the weakened immune system caused by the virus. Common causes of death include:
Opportunistic Infections: These are infections that occur more frequently and are more severe in individuals with weakened immune systems. Common opportunistic infections include:
Pneumocystis pneumonia (PCP)
Tuberculosis (TB)
Candidiasis (thrush)
Cytomegalovirus (CMV) infections
Cancers: Certain cancers, known as AIDS-related cancers, are more prevalent in people with HIV. These include:
Kaposi's sarcoma
Non-Hodgkin lymphoma
Invasive cervical cancer
Chronic Conditions: As HIV progresses, patients may also develop chronic conditions such as cardiovascular disease, liver disease (often related to co-infection with hepatitis), and kidney disease.
Neurological Complications: HIV can lead to neurological issues, including HIV-associated dementia and other cognitive disorders.
With the advent of antiretroviral therapy (ART), many individuals with HIV can live long, healthy lives, but those who do not receive treatment or have advanced disease are at higher risk for these complications.
Tatd why I call myself the last Scientist. Call things by there proper name. Describe reality correctly. Accurately. Every ommission or twist of words is no different to a lie. Led everyone into otribalvdelusion
People are not horses.
Coronaviruses aren't flu.
Jabs have never stopped transmission.
Jesus isn't a virologist.
This is plenty of evidence for viruses
Donald trump didn't say bleach.
You don't need a toxic dose of ivermectin .you need a tiny safe dose.
It want a complety novel virus. It's common cold cran iris family bit weaponised.
Damage and inflammation are very different
Cancer is cancer. Not a fucking parasite.
Doctors doing ivory tower broadcast with no debate are continually negligent.
Follower allowing doctors to do one way broadcasts with no debate are criminally stupid.
There is plenty of evidence for vitamin D.
Blood clots are not a mystery.
There are plenty of autopsies.
There was no groahen oxide.
It's not snake venom.
Everyone went demonic delusional tribal and retarded.
What happened to earth was not normal . It's a supernatural phenomon
I am a math teacher AP Calculus and can barely make my way through Geerts's analysis in terms of vocabulary, logic, and connections to science which he is convinced in his conclusions will lead to a dreaded variant that will suddenly emerge and crush vaccinated countries with sweeping death and severe illness. My intuition and limited comprehension tell me that he is partially correct and that the reason why the monster "HIVICRON" hasn't emerged and may never still eludes him - we are over 3 years into his prediction and there is no sign that humanity is on deaths doorstep with respect to C19.
To put this in the simplest terms: A gain-of-function experiment has been started with billions of humans providing the petri dishes for this virus to mutate with the goal of achieving herd immunity. The variants will only stop evolving when herd immunity has been reached. The timing of this or when it is going to happen is irrelevant. The problem here is that it can't be stopped. And unfortunately, all the hosts of this ongoing gain-of-function experiment will not survive. Herd immunity will be achieved. But the cost will be horrendous.
Better safe than sorry. Considering international and domestic excess deaths and the burgeoning "turbo" cancer rates (with symptoms appearing and diagnosis at Stage 4 with imminent death), I wouldn't bet against Geert's apparently logical forecast...
I see the turbo cancers and weird neurological disorders all around me something anecdotally at age 55 was previously unseen. That said, I would bet against Geerts doomsday variant...more cancer, rare disease, autoimmune, and poor health yes.
The reason Hovicron didn't emerge yet, is because this things can take a long time. This is where Dr. Geert Vanden Bossche made the mistake. But I don't think that his predictions are inaccurate at all. If you read his book " The Inescapable immune escape pandemic", you will better understand his forecast. You can also use Chat GPT to help you understand better his book as well as his articles.
:) So you reckon that being "a math teacher AP Calculus" means that you can understand immunology, virology, ... Your "intuition and limited comprehension tell" tell you, or the media?
No, the math teacher lead is meant to show that I can think --- make a living teaching others how to think... not meant to come off "smart" rather the opposite, I can handle pretty dense material and make sense of it - I could be wrong, but I have a sense to me that says there will not be a society destroying mutation any time soon.
Out of interest, how long have you been following Geert? For me, it helps tremendously to read his work alongside Dr McMillan's videos and chats with Geert and various others like Dr Chetty. I've followed Covid closely since they started talking about vaccines and Dr McMillandand Geert for about 2-3 years. It's a long-haul learning process but now understand much more. From 'a not scientist'!! Both Dr McMillan and Dr Rennebohm very good at explaining and making topics simpler to grasp.
I agree - he's mono myopically obsessed with the death variant and in the end, he may prove to be correct, but I'd take that bet....... if I proposed to Geert a wager where he MUST bet something of real consequence -- like his home, I suspect you'd see his fervor back down.
Why would you even suggest that? If he, as a virologist etc., is sure he's right, why would he not keep saying it? Would it be better for him to keep quiet and not try and warn people? That would put him on a par with all the experts who know perfectly well what's happening due to the jabs but keep quiet because it serves their personal interests to do so. Experts are allowed to be wrong sometimes or misjudge details.
For at least 3 yrs - all his videos, interviews, and I get his emails he sends out.
If you remember 3 summers ago he confidently predicted that the death variant was imminent, encouraged people to doomsday prep as he was, to take antivirals, and even conjectured getting an unrelated vaccine to promote somekind of immune defense. As we know the variant didn't and still hasn't arrived.
I follow all Geerts work, find his intellect and analysis interesting and at times compelling - but if i was in Vegas and HAD to bet my house if he was right or wrong with respect to a highly virulent variant thats in the mail and is going to bring a wave of severe illness and death I would bet my house against that happening.
I suspect what would help bring on the variant is weather, as the sun may be entering a Grand Solar Minimum. The cooler weather, reduced crops, and war tend to increase the disease cycle because of reduced health in general.
If you follow all his work, you know that the delays in Hivicron etc have been fully accounted for. This isn't a normal virus so the expected 'normal' results and timeline haven't been happening. I'm not a scientist of any sort, but there are plenty of other people expecting the worst - and some of them are medical people whose opinion I respect, so if they are loosely/broadly with Geert (don't all have to agree on the minutiae) then I consider I would be very stupid to ignore the warnings. There are others who never mention Geert who are also expecting a seriously bad Covid surge soon. When all these people converge, it's time to take them seriously.
The reason why I have listened to Geert for the past few years is because he obviously is an expert of the sort that is worth listening to. However, I suspect you didn't begin taking antivirals a few years ago when he suggested we should.
If you remember, he went away for a bit after strongly predicting the virulent variant was imminent - it never came, and he sent out a message saying he was weary of C19 and was moving in a different direction on a different platform that we could join for a fee. 2 years later I am still receiving updates from Geert letting me know not as strongly as before that the deadly variant will inevitably emerge. I fully concede that I am no immunologist, vaccinologist, virologist and am woefully ignorant to those domains.
That said, I do have a degree in science albeit a math major and i also have a master's degree both from UW in Seattle.... the point is I can think, evaluate claims, look at evidence, listen to predictions, not discount intuition as superstition which leads me to think in terms of probability...with that in mind, my money wouldn't feel safe if I bet on Geerts's death variant -- especially if we place a time period on that bet.
A few years back I came across deagel.com which made this crazy prediction that the United States population would be at 99,000,000 by end of 2025. That’s a drop of 70% from current population. If Geert’s prediction comes to fruition this may not be crazy after all.
But what about molds and emfs and toxins and all the other things affecting us ? why is it all about one single pathogen. Life doesnt work that way. We are encountering a billion bugs and 'germs' and allsorts all the time .
I work at an acute hospital. I’m guessing 75% of healthcare workers are vaxxed and boosted. If Geert’s prediction comes to fruition hospitals won’t be able to function and those workers that don’t get sick will quit and stay home.
While the right hand teaches only to pay attention to symptoms (my experience of allopathic medicine); the left hand develops viruses that avoid creating symptoms.
So, I am unjabbed, but I got what seemed to be a minor cold in February and I have basically been hoarse until now. It has been sort of a roller coaster of minor cold symptoms, mainly cough and hoarseness. Before February I would have counted myself as a relatively healthy 44 yo man, with a decent diet and reasonable exercise (both could be improved, but you get my point).
I’ve been to doc and had tests run for virus and bacteria and both are negative. I have a feeling that there is something going on, but I am at a loss to know what to do.
My lungs feel “heavy” too probably 50% of the time nowadays. 😞
"Eventually, immunity will drop to such a critically low level that massive viral invasion and spread—both within individual hosts and between them—can no longer be prevented." = cytokine storms that will kill the hosts quickly.
So, what exactly do you suggest to do now if you aren't vaccinated? What to do now if you are vaccinated? Thanks.
Geert has said in the past that the vast majority of unvaccinated folks have been exposed to the virus and have developed a (first line of immune defense) against the virus and its variants. So, taking anti-virals to further protect yourself would be in order. This is my plan.
As far as the vaccinated - well, this is a different story. Their only hope is to not get infected at all. Once they get infected, their viral load with skyrocket. Once this happens, their bodies will go into a cytokine storm. Survival of this will hinge on immediate, sophisticated medical treatment.
With the breakdown of the medical system (all vaccinated) people will have nowhere to go. They will die in their homes, cars, and on the street. It is going to be horrible.
For a look into our future world and a mass extinction event, get and watch the movie: "I think we are alone now"
This kind of scenario is a very scary one. As for avoiding getting infected, I think it's close to impossible. In 2022 even though I was already on a powerful antivirals protocol, I still got the Omicron. The only way, the vaccinated can escape infection is complete isolation. This is their best chance to survive. But since this will never happen, it is going to be the greatest Russian Roulette they have ever played. Some people will win, the lucky ones, but not everyone will be so lucky. Now, all we can do is take our antivirals, enjoy the summer to maximum, and pray. Pray for those who took the shots. My heart goes out for those who never wanted to take them but were forced to do it just to keep their jobs.
It is terrifying. And yes, complete isolation is their only option. We will have entire subdivisions filled with rotting corpses. The task of removing bodies for burial will be overwhelming for us. And if this happens in warm weather, the bodies will decompose quickly. Haz-mat suits will be needed to remove the bodies. The smell will be horrible. It will be a nightmare for everyone who is left.
And our society and our world will be forever changed. Yup: buy guns and ammo and prepare to set your clocks back 200 years.
https://fasteddynz.substack.com/p/collapse-and-cannibalism
The bodies will be eaten - by other humans and dogs
I don't know about humans - the bodies would have to be refrigerated right away. But dogs will definitely be a problem. There will packs of them everywhere and they will be hungry.
You clearly have no idea about the immune system. If you’ve been previously infected then you’re no better off than a vaccinated person, why? Because of the short incubation period, approximately the same as the innate immune response, which has no memory, then you will still have a large viral load before you get any symptoms. Any adaptive response will still take 4-7 days post exposure, exactly the same as for vaccinated individuals.
I have read everything that Gerrt has written from the beginning on the subject. I have watched every interview he’s had on this subject. My knowledge of the immune systems reaction to the COVID-19 virus is totally what he has said. I am just repeating what he has said in past. So you are in essence saying that he doesn’t know what he’s talking about. Good luck with that.
Not me, but immunologists. I suggest watching undergraduate level video lectures by Brianne Barker, immunologist, on YouTube also similar level lectures by Vincent Racaniello, virologist. Also there are weekly video podcasts on microbe tv on YouTube. See www.microbe.tv.
I am the messenger here. My understanding in this is completely based on what Geert has written. His understanding of immunology and virology are in my mind superior to anything in traditional academia. You obviously have not been exposed to very little of what Gerrt has said. Not sure why you are following his sub stack? You are using undergraduate YouTube videos to prove that Gerrt is wrong? Good luck with that! I am now done with you now.
After I am around people sick with covid, long covid, I may get a headache or sore throat for a few hours, then it is gone. Occasionally, I might wake up having had one fever and sweat. I do not take an anti-inflammatory. I do not take ivermectin. I do up my vitamins, like D3. This not-vaccinating business works great.
Thank your innate immune system, whether you were vaccinated or not makes no difference. Your innate system has stopped the virus in your upper respiratory tract, those symptoms are not caused by the virus but by your immune system.
Thanks for the question, they give us all this scary information but do not follow with suggestions of what we can do to help ourselves based on vaccination status. There is a lot of info out there but you have to really hunt it down. It is almost never broken down between vax and unvaxed, and never takes into consideration drug interactions from people’s usual medications. I know so many people who hear trending natural alternatives or supplements and think it’s safe to take without considering natural doesn’t mean safe when you are on other medications. (Note I am speaking in general for others not myself.)
Even if unvaccinated, we need to do detox due to shedding from everyone who's injected!
Why does our immunity keep dropping?
Because the "vaccine" (mRNA shots are not vaccines) was non sterilizing and we "vaccinated" (for financial gain) into "the teeth" of a pandemic. Every legitimate virologist knows that you cannot "vaccinate" into a pandemic, especially with RNA viruses ESPECIALLY when the "vaccine" is not sterilizing.
Its so bad a mistake that I have trouble crediting it as a actual mistake and not an insidious plan for depopulation. I guess we will find out!
No vaccine in history has been sterilising, i.e. prevents infection. The same is true if you’re infected with a virus, there’s nothing to prevent reinfection.
I am not sure about that. But when he says "massive viral invasion," he is talking about the stimulation of a cytokine storm. This is something that needs to be stopped by medical professionals at just the right time with specialized drugs. These drugs are currently in short supply. So we are talking about days instead of weeks before the need for hospitalization and the accelerated dying of infected vaccinated folks.
The jabs focused the antibody part of the immune system on the Wuhan spike protein. Did not let the spike attach well. Did not kill the virus.
So the virus mutated the spike immediately, so the virus could survive.
This has gone on for 5 years now. The jabbed immune system is a misdirected mess.
Countless variants have come and infected.
We unjabbed have actually killed each variant with our first line of defense, unless we were ill. But whether it has been our first or second line of defense, we recognize and kill every part of the virus. Small spike protein mutations don’t fool us.
And we don’t spare the lives of old variants to grow the variants like a rose garden hot house.
The epitopes that are important are those through which the virus gains access to the cell, in the case of SARS-CoV-2 that is the ACE2 receptor. Thus IgG antibodies against these epitopes that are maintained across all clades will prevent further infection. Quick question, what do the tetanus and the diphtheria vaccines protect against?
I have no idea what the tetanus vaccine protects against. I do know that they give the vaccine when you go to the ER with a cut although it would take 2 weeks to make antibodies from a vaccine while any infection would start immediately. So, I would never accept any jab at the ED.
The tetanus vaccine is against the toxin produced by the tetanus bacteria, similarly the diphtheria vaccine is against the toxin produced by the diphtheria bacteria. If you are in the U.K. then five tetanus vaccinations give you lifetime protection. However, if a person attends A&E with a tetanus prone wound (e.g. has been moving manure) or they don’t know their tetanus vaccination status then they will be given a prophylactic injection, i used to work in A&E where this was common.
If you’re infected with the tetanus bacteria and you’ve been vaccinated then antibodies will develop after 3-4 days, peaking after 7 days, this is because there are memory T cells and B cells plus, possibly, a residue of antibodies depending on when your last vaccination was. If you’re infected with tetanus and you’ve never been vaccinated then antibodies will start to develop after 7 days, peaking at 14 days, post infection, however, the serious signs of tetanus may develop before there are sufficient antibodies.
What do you mean by “days”?
We are talking about a rapid increase in viral load. From initial infection this could happen quickly with the host body being overwhelmed by the virus. The host body will go into its ultimate defense (cytokine storm) to try to fight the virus. Cytokine storms must be carefully managed with specialized drugs that are required to stop them at just the right time. So within a few days from infection (3,4,5, or 6) days, host bodies will be overwhelmed and need immediate hospitalization. So this will not be a slow progression of worsening symptoms. This will be an attack by a variant that the host bodies have absolutely NO immunity to or resistance to.
How many do you expect dead in this scenario? Based on what Bossche has said, I could guess 2-3 billion.
Not sure about that. 1/2 of 5.6 billion people have been vaccinated with the mRNA vaccines. We need to leave the Russian and Chinese vaccines out of the mix. Gerrt has never talked about these vaccines. He has been solely focused on the mRNA vaccines. He has also never mentioned any numbers associated with potential deaths. I think he knows that’s potential for large numbers of deaths is there. In a recent article he mentioned having a 3 month survival plan ready. This indicates to me that he is expecting a massive disruption of our societies caused by the sickness and dying associated with a highly evolved deadly COVID-19 variant. So we have roughly 2.8 billion humans on the planet that have been vaccinated with an mRNA vaccine. So if we have one half of 2.8 billion humans die in the upcoming months or years. We will have 1.8 billion bodies to bury. The United States has vaccinated 200 million citizens with the mRNA vaccines. Just imagine losing 100 million Americans. It’s a nightmare. It will destroy our country.
The jabs focused the antibody part of the immune system on the Wuhan spike protein. Did not let the spike attach well. Did not kill the virus.
So the virus mutated the spike immediately, so the virus could survive.
This has gone on for 5 years now. The jabbed immune system is a misdirected mess.
Countless variants have come and infected.
We unjabbed have taken out each variant with our first line of defense, unless we were ill. But whether it has been our first or second line of defense, we recognize every part of the virus. Small spike protein mutations don’t fool us
Negative efficacy = Drug induced AIDS = Vaxx Aids = Vaids
Mine is getting stronger... have not had so much as a sniffle in years... since I adopted this https://fasteddynz.substack.com/p/a-near-fool-proof-cure-for-cancer
I am 78, and have been in nutritional ketosis for 13 years, no exceptions. This looks like what I eat. I got Covid for two days in 2020, and I have not had any symptoms for anything since 2020. I also made a point of staying exposed to whatever was going around. Note that I did not start eating this way to lose weight. It related to atheletic performance, and at my age you won't have any athletic performance if you have been eating the food pyramid or worse for the last 25 years. It is more likely that you will be drugged out, and then dead.
Hate to admit this but I have a hard time following your comments. Too much scientific lingo vs plain language so I do not fully understand what you’re trying to convey
Enter the text into ChatGPT and ask for a summary of the text for laypeople.
Good idea! I followed your advice and can understand it. Thanks!
Got is great. You guys suggesting to use it. Great move.
It became part of a huge story.
Enjoy.
:
All thanks to one commentors on this thread. Who told the truth. And said "I ADMIT I DONT UNDERSTAND".
Changed everything.
Geert
You wouldn't come out of your ivory tower.
So I had to drag you out.
To save you from your ego.
You fought the war.
We see you.
It doesn't have to be this way.
Anymore.
https://open.substack.com/pub/willrthomson/p/geert-vader-boss-the-opinions-and?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android&r=1ssazc
Just make sure that you take ChatGPT's output with a grain of salt, as we should do with everything we read and hear. You have to at least ask ChatGPT to leave aside all its bias toward toward scientific consensus, which by default it favors. He'll do it somewhat, but mot 100%.
You need to give clear instructions to Chat GPT: " assume that everything the author of this article writes is 100% accurate". Then, you ask to explain it.
Well done for suggesting and helping. And got. Smart. Your part of the huge story now:
All thanks to one commentors on this thread. Who told the truth. And said "I ADMIT I DONT UNDERSTAND".
Changed everything.
Geert
You wouldn't come out of your ivory tower.
So I had to drag you out.
To save you from your ego.
You fought the war.
We see you.
It doesn't have to be this way.
Anymore.
https://open.substack.com/pub/willrthomson/p/geert-vader-boss-the-opinions-and?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android&r=1ssazc
All thanks to one commentors on this thread. Who told the truth. And said "I ADMIT I DONT UNDERSTAND".
Changed everything.
Geert
You wouldn't come out of your ivory tower.
So I had to drag you out.
To save you from your ego.
You fought the war.
We see you.
It doesn't have to be this way.
Anymore.
https://open.substack.com/pub/willrthomson/p/geert-vader-boss-the-opinions-and?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android&r=1ssazc
All thanks to one commentors on this thread. Who told the truth. And said "I ADMIT I DONT UNDERSTAND".
Changed everything.
Geert
You wouldn't come out of your ivory tower.
So I had to drag you out.
To save you from your ego.
You fought the war.
We see you.
It doesn't have to be this way.
Anymore.
https://open.substack.com/pub/willrthomson/p/geert-vader-boss-the-opinions-and?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android&r=1ssazc
See my comment to understand what he is saying
This is so right on... from my experience with other viral infectuions in my early job, the slowing down of inflammatory response means that the virus may be entering a different relationships with the host: sitting inside the host for a longer time period, becoming latently present in host tissues, acuqiring more capacity to provoke changes in host tissues such as cancer... with having viral RNA stuck in the host tissues and not elinminated (which was observed as the effect of the jab), it seems that this kind of virus has a potential of becoming latent. I do not know if Geert would support this idea, but this is nothing good.
Foreign mRNA invading cells throughout the body and endlessly producing spike protein as well as 'garbage proteins' as a result of faulty replication is a recipe for disastrous harm and expedited death.
Meanwhile, quoting online magazine "STAT":
"Leading medical groups sue Kennedy over changed Covid-19 vaccine recommendations:
Suit argues HHS changed federal guidance outside of established processes, undermining public trust"
By Chelsea Cirruzzo July 7, 2025
Washington Correspondent for STAT (a medical publication for doctors)
"WASHINGTON — Six major medical groups, and a pregnant physician, are suing health secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr. over changes he made to Covid-19 vaccine recommendations that they say were unlawful and undermine public trust in health care.
The suit argues that a May 19 directive signed by Kennedy, which said that the Covid-19 vaccine would no longer be recommended for healthy children and pregnant people, violates decades of policy governing how vaccines are reviewed, approved, and recommended in the U.S.
“The Secretary cited no emergency, let alone change in circumstances, to justify the directive … [the directive] is contrary to the wealth of data and peer-reviewed studies that demonstrate the safety and efficacy of Covid vaccines for children and pregnant women,” reads the suit, led by the American Academy of Pediatrics and filed Monday in U.S. District Court for the District of Massachusetts."
(Clearly, our doctors are more beholden to the pharmaceutical lobby than to their Hippocratic oath.)
What do you think viruses do?
such law suits are expected, aren't they...
Law suits and gallows are two different brings. And all. Is not what it seems. Now.
Enjoy the story. Your in it now.
All thanks to one commentors on this thread. Who told the truth. And said "I ADMIT I DONT UNDERSTAND".
Changed everything.
Geert
You wouldn't come out of your ivory tower.
So I had to drag you out.
To save you from your ego.
You fought the war.
We see you.
It doesn't have to be this way.
Anymore.
https://open.substack.com/pub/willrthomson/p/geert-vader-boss-the-opinions-and?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android&r=1ssazc
I can look into it if you want. Latent COVID virus? Hmm.
In the meantime.
We've got bigger problems. Bigger solutions .
All thanks to one commentors on this thread. Who told the truth. And said "I ADMIT I DONT UNDERSTAND".
Changed everything.
Geert
You wouldn't come out of your ivory tower.
So I had to drag you out.
To save you from your ego.
You fought the war.
We see you.
It doesn't have to be this way.
Anymore.
https://open.substack.com/pub/willrthomson/p/geert-vader-boss-the-opinions-and?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android&r=1ssazc
If you’ve ever had herpes simplex, chicken pox, infectious mononucleosis or sixth disease (as a child) then you have got viral DNA in the nuclei of cells in your body. Do you understand how the SARS-CoV-2 virus replicates in a cell? On entry to the cell the outer protein casing disappears, leaving the naked RNA, which acts like its own mRNA. This is virology 101.
99% of humans CANT learn immunology 101. They haven't even watched a T cell video yet. Why do you think the planet went mental!
Now.
Story.
All thanks to one commentors on this thread. Who told the truth. And said "I ADMIT I DONT UNDERSTAND".
Changed everything.
Geert
You wouldn't come out of your ivory tower.
So I had to drag you out.
To save you from your ego.
You fought the war.
We see you.
It doesn't have to be this way.
Anymore.
https://open.substack.com/pub/willrthomson/p/geert-vader-boss-the-opinions-and?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android&r=1ssazc
The fact that they named it "Stratus" when it's most likely coming from the spraying they are doing in the skies seems to be lost on most people. All of this is a cover-up for the toxins they have been "raining" down on us for years and years with it really being amped up since Covid started.
Right on!
No. You're an idiot. And now your part of the epic COVID wars story.
All thanks to one commentors on this thread. Who told the truth. And said "I ADMIT I DONT UNDERSTAND".
Changed everything.
Geert
You wouldn't come out of your ivory tower.
So I had to drag you out.
To save you from your ego.
You fought the war.
We see you.
It doesn't have to be this way.
Anymore.
https://open.substack.com/pub/willrthomson/p/geert-vader-boss-the-opinions-and?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android&r=1ssazc
HIV does just this which is why the infected eventually die of pneumonia. The French discoverer of HIV (lab created) stated that its critical component was spliced into SC2 then he died (hmmmm).
Hiv don't die of pneumonia. They die of all sorts.
Can't describe basic realty right? Stop doing it
Now.
All thanks to one commentors on this thread. Who told the truth. And said "I ADMIT I DONT UNDERSTAND".
Changed everything.
Geert
You wouldn't come out of your ivory tower.
So I had to drag you out.
To save you from your ego.
You fought the war.
We see you.
It doesn't have to be this way.
Anymore.
https://open.substack.com/pub/willrthomson/p/geert-vader-boss-the-opinions-and?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android&r=1ssazc
What do most HIV patients die of?
.
GPT-4o mini
Most HIV patients die from complications related to opportunistic infections and cancers that arise due to the weakened immune system caused by the virus. Common causes of death include:
Opportunistic Infections: These are infections that occur more frequently and are more severe in individuals with weakened immune systems. Common opportunistic infections include:
Pneumocystis pneumonia (PCP)
Tuberculosis (TB)
Candidiasis (thrush)
Cytomegalovirus (CMV) infections
Cancers: Certain cancers, known as AIDS-related cancers, are more prevalent in people with HIV. These include:
Kaposi's sarcoma
Non-Hodgkin lymphoma
Invasive cervical cancer
Chronic Conditions: As HIV progresses, patients may also develop chronic conditions such as cardiovascular disease, liver disease (often related to co-infection with hepatitis), and kidney disease.
Neurological Complications: HIV can lead to neurological issues, including HIV-associated dementia and other cognitive disorders.
With the advent of antiretroviral therapy (ART), many individuals with HIV can live long, healthy lives, but those who do not receive treatment or have advanced disease are at higher risk for these complications.
Tatd why I call myself the last Scientist. Call things by there proper name. Describe reality correctly. Accurately. Every ommission or twist of words is no different to a lie. Led everyone into otribalvdelusion
People are not horses.
Coronaviruses aren't flu.
Jabs have never stopped transmission.
Jesus isn't a virologist.
This is plenty of evidence for viruses
Donald trump didn't say bleach.
You don't need a toxic dose of ivermectin .you need a tiny safe dose.
It want a complety novel virus. It's common cold cran iris family bit weaponised.
Damage and inflammation are very different
Cancer is cancer. Not a fucking parasite.
Doctors doing ivory tower broadcast with no debate are continually negligent.
Follower allowing doctors to do one way broadcasts with no debate are criminally stupid.
There is plenty of evidence for vitamin D.
Blood clots are not a mystery.
There are plenty of autopsies.
There was no groahen oxide.
It's not snake venom.
Everyone went demonic delusional tribal and retarded.
What happened to earth was not normal . It's a supernatural phenomon
mRNA is deadly.
This was the biggest medical disaster in history
We are in empire not democracy.
The Darkforce, clouds everytning
I am the last scientist.
Call things by their accurate names.
To find reality. Again.
Actual. Science.
Not this five year clown pantomime horror show.
Great. So we have down science. I was correct. They die of all sorts.
So great to finally have actual science working again.
Fiddling while Rome burns, then? There is nothing to see here - move along - everything is going to be just fine.
I am a math teacher AP Calculus and can barely make my way through Geerts's analysis in terms of vocabulary, logic, and connections to science which he is convinced in his conclusions will lead to a dreaded variant that will suddenly emerge and crush vaccinated countries with sweeping death and severe illness. My intuition and limited comprehension tell me that he is partially correct and that the reason why the monster "HIVICRON" hasn't emerged and may never still eludes him - we are over 3 years into his prediction and there is no sign that humanity is on deaths doorstep with respect to C19.
To put this in the simplest terms: A gain-of-function experiment has been started with billions of humans providing the petri dishes for this virus to mutate with the goal of achieving herd immunity. The variants will only stop evolving when herd immunity has been reached. The timing of this or when it is going to happen is irrelevant. The problem here is that it can't be stopped. And unfortunately, all the hosts of this ongoing gain-of-function experiment will not survive. Herd immunity will be achieved. But the cost will be horrendous.
Better safe than sorry. Considering international and domestic excess deaths and the burgeoning "turbo" cancer rates (with symptoms appearing and diagnosis at Stage 4 with imminent death), I wouldn't bet against Geert's apparently logical forecast...
I see the turbo cancers and weird neurological disorders all around me something anecdotally at age 55 was previously unseen. That said, I would bet against Geerts doomsday variant...more cancer, rare disease, autoimmune, and poor health yes.
Could be those diseases that don't look like viruses are variants. Why would we expect a certain set of symptoms?
Yes it's demonic horrific.
5 years of it.
Now.
Actual science and truth and. Hope!!
All thanks to one commentors on this thread. Who told the truth. And said "I ADMIT I DONT UNDERSTAND".
Changed everything.
Geert
You wouldn't come out of your ivory tower.
So I had to drag you out.
To save you from your ego.
You fought the war.
We see you.
It doesn't have to be this way.
Anymore.
https://open.substack.com/pub/willrthomson/p/geert-vader-boss-the-opinions-and?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android&r=1ssazc
The other side of the "Better safe than sorry. " coin is the boy who cried wolf.
The reason Hovicron didn't emerge yet, is because this things can take a long time. This is where Dr. Geert Vanden Bossche made the mistake. But I don't think that his predictions are inaccurate at all. If you read his book " The Inescapable immune escape pandemic", you will better understand his forecast. You can also use Chat GPT to help you understand better his book as well as his articles.
He also admits that honestly he was wrong on timing. He does not
sound proud but honestly honest.
How come suddenly everyone wants to use gpt now to learn? Suddenly eveyoen got smart?
Well.
We are years ahead of you.
Now
Epic story for his thread.
And gets article.
This one's not mean. It's epic good.
All thanks to one commentors on this thread. Who told the truth. And said "I ADMIT I DONT UNDERSTAND".
Changed everything.
Geert
You wouldn't come out of your ivory tower.
So I had to drag you out.
To save you from your ego.
You fought the war.
We see you.
It doesn't have to be this way.
Anymore.
https://open.substack.com/pub/willrthomson/p/geert-vader-boss-the-opinions-and?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android&r=1ssazc
:) So you reckon that being "a math teacher AP Calculus" means that you can understand immunology, virology, ... Your "intuition and limited comprehension tell" tell you, or the media?
No, the math teacher lead is meant to show that I can think --- make a living teaching others how to think... not meant to come off "smart" rather the opposite, I can handle pretty dense material and make sense of it - I could be wrong, but I have a sense to me that says there will not be a society destroying mutation any time soon.
Out of interest, how long have you been following Geert? For me, it helps tremendously to read his work alongside Dr McMillan's videos and chats with Geert and various others like Dr Chetty. I've followed Covid closely since they started talking about vaccines and Dr McMillandand Geert for about 2-3 years. It's a long-haul learning process but now understand much more. From 'a not scientist'!! Both Dr McMillan and Dr Rennebohm very good at explaining and making topics simpler to grasp.
I agree with most of what you write.
Dr Cherry has the most clinical experience of them all ; pay attention to his wisdom .
I highly respect Dr Geert , hope he’s wrong and all that , but two things about him I can’t put aside :
First he’s been wrong so often .
Second he’s still a vaccine proponent .
I agree - he's mono myopically obsessed with the death variant and in the end, he may prove to be correct, but I'd take that bet....... if I proposed to Geert a wager where he MUST bet something of real consequence -- like his home, I suspect you'd see his fervor back down.
Why would you even suggest that? If he, as a virologist etc., is sure he's right, why would he not keep saying it? Would it be better for him to keep quiet and not try and warn people? That would put him on a par with all the experts who know perfectly well what's happening due to the jabs but keep quiet because it serves their personal interests to do so. Experts are allowed to be wrong sometimes or misjudge details.
For at least 3 yrs - all his videos, interviews, and I get his emails he sends out.
If you remember 3 summers ago he confidently predicted that the death variant was imminent, encouraged people to doomsday prep as he was, to take antivirals, and even conjectured getting an unrelated vaccine to promote somekind of immune defense. As we know the variant didn't and still hasn't arrived.
I follow all Geerts work, find his intellect and analysis interesting and at times compelling - but if i was in Vegas and HAD to bet my house if he was right or wrong with respect to a highly virulent variant thats in the mail and is going to bring a wave of severe illness and death I would bet my house against that happening.
I suspect what would help bring on the variant is weather, as the sun may be entering a Grand Solar Minimum. The cooler weather, reduced crops, and war tend to increase the disease cycle because of reduced health in general.
If you follow all his work, you know that the delays in Hivicron etc have been fully accounted for. This isn't a normal virus so the expected 'normal' results and timeline haven't been happening. I'm not a scientist of any sort, but there are plenty of other people expecting the worst - and some of them are medical people whose opinion I respect, so if they are loosely/broadly with Geert (don't all have to agree on the minutiae) then I consider I would be very stupid to ignore the warnings. There are others who never mention Geert who are also expecting a seriously bad Covid surge soon. When all these people converge, it's time to take them seriously.
The reason why I have listened to Geert for the past few years is because he obviously is an expert of the sort that is worth listening to. However, I suspect you didn't begin taking antivirals a few years ago when he suggested we should.
If you remember, he went away for a bit after strongly predicting the virulent variant was imminent - it never came, and he sent out a message saying he was weary of C19 and was moving in a different direction on a different platform that we could join for a fee. 2 years later I am still receiving updates from Geert letting me know not as strongly as before that the deadly variant will inevitably emerge. I fully concede that I am no immunologist, vaccinologist, virologist and am woefully ignorant to those domains.
That said, I do have a degree in science albeit a math major and i also have a master's degree both from UW in Seattle.... the point is I can think, evaluate claims, look at evidence, listen to predictions, not discount intuition as superstition which leads me to think in terms of probability...with that in mind, my money wouldn't feel safe if I bet on Geerts's death variant -- especially if we place a time period on that bet.
I've wrote an article directing gets article and teaching humoral, innate and adaptive. Then it gets. Exciting.
Story.
All thanks to one commentors on this thread. Who told the truth. And said "I ADMIT I DONT UNDERSTAND".
Changed everything.
Geert
You wouldn't come out of your ivory tower.
So I had to drag you out.
To save you from your ego.
You fought the war.
We see you.
It doesn't have to be this way.
Anymore.
https://open.substack.com/pub/willrthomson/p/geert-vader-boss-the-opinions-and?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android&r=1ssazc
A few years back I came across deagel.com which made this crazy prediction that the United States population would be at 99,000,000 by end of 2025. That’s a drop of 70% from current population. If Geert’s prediction comes to fruition this may not be crazy after all.
But what about molds and emfs and toxins and all the other things affecting us ? why is it all about one single pathogen. Life doesnt work that way. We are encountering a billion bugs and 'germs' and allsorts all the time .
I work at an acute hospital. I’m guessing 75% of healthcare workers are vaxxed and boosted. If Geert’s prediction comes to fruition hospitals won’t be able to function and those workers that don’t get sick will quit and stay home.
The guillotine has already dropped. Thousands injured by the mRNA covid vaxxes, many dead.
Stock up on chlorine dioxide solution or MMS, folks!
Depop all the way home.
Not necessarily. Depends if you stop thinking and star learning.
And fight the Darkforces at play.y
Give it a go.
Now
All thanks to one commentors on this thread. Who told the truth. And said "I ADMIT I DONT UNDERSTAND".
Changed everything.
Geert
You wouldn't come out of your ivory tower.
So I had to drag you out.
To save you from your ego.
You fought the war.
We see you.
It doesn't have to be this way.
Anymore.
https://open.substack.com/pub/willrthomson/p/geert-vader-boss-the-opinions-and?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android&r=1ssazc
It sounds AIDS -like
No it doesn't.
Now.
Truth.
All thanks to one commentors on this thread. Who told the truth. And said "I ADMIT I DONT UNDERSTAND".
Changed everything.
Geert
You wouldn't come out of your ivory tower.
So I had to drag you out.
To save you from your ego.
You fought the war.
We see you.
It doesn't have to be this way.
Anymore.
https://open.substack.com/pub/willrthomson/p/geert-vader-boss-the-opinions-and?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android&r=1ssazc
While the right hand teaches only to pay attention to symptoms (my experience of allopathic medicine); the left hand develops viruses that avoid creating symptoms.
So, I am unjabbed, but I got what seemed to be a minor cold in February and I have basically been hoarse until now. It has been sort of a roller coaster of minor cold symptoms, mainly cough and hoarseness. Before February I would have counted myself as a relatively healthy 44 yo man, with a decent diet and reasonable exercise (both could be improved, but you get my point).
I’ve been to doc and had tests run for virus and bacteria and both are negative. I have a feeling that there is something going on, but I am at a loss to know what to do.
My lungs feel “heavy” too probably 50% of the time nowadays. 😞